Miyazaki: The Problem With The Anime Industry Is It’s Full of People Who Actually Buy the Content They Consume
#I’M REALLY TORN ABOUT THIS #I LOVE MIYAZAKI AND THE THINGS HE MAKES #BUT NOW I FEEL COMPLETELY INSULTED BY A PERSON I LOOK UP TO #ALSO HE IMPLIES MASTURBATION IS AS BAD AS WAR????? #WTF MIYAZAKI WHO ARE YOU #I HATE SEEING THE PERSON BEHIND THE CREATIONS SOMETIMES #THIS IS HORRIBLE AND I WISH I DIDN’T SEE IT #IT’S JUST LIKE HORRIBLESUBS AND THE SHITTY THINGS THEY SAY ABOUT THE FANS WHO WATCH THE SHOWS THEY FANSUB #JFC FUCK THE WORLD
Methinks Miyazaki has spent a little too much time going bar hopping with Hideki Anno
He’s the new Alan Moore. Was only a matter of time.
IN WHICH I WRITE A VERY LONG POST ABOUT WHY MIYAZAKI IS NOT WRONG AND I APPARENTLY CAN’T INSERT A READ MORE BREAK SO SUCK IT IN THAT REGARD TOO, I GUESS
- If you unironically call yourself an otaku, you’re lumping yourself in with some of the least-respected members of society in Japan, and you shouldn’t be surprised/outraged when a well-respected member of Japanese society looks down on you.
- The things otaku like are off-putting, and because the anime industry makes most of their money from otaku, the anime industry in general is off-putting.
- The anime industry should probably be restructured so that otaku have less power to decide what gets animated, otherwise the anime industry will collapse because NOBODY LIKES IT.
- Gimme your lunch money, nerds.
Uh, he never implied masturbation is as bad as war. He’s being a cranky old man, as cranky old men are wont to do. The author of the article just listed those things as additional things Miyazaki doesn’t like.
And something you people really, really, REALLY need to understand is that "otaku" is not a term of endearment in Japan the way “nerd” has become so in the West. If I were to speculate, I’d say it has a lot to do with cultural values - here, we place a lot of value and pride in our individual identities, but that just is not the case in Japan. They, and the East Asian countries in general, place a lot of value in working to improve the collective. Being an otaku implies a lot of the things you’d think being the classical “nerd” implies - living in your mother’s basement, spending all your time watching anime/slacking off, and being a general drain on society. While that’s not “accepted” in the West per se, it is not directly contradictory to every cultural value we have. We’re just expressing our identities when we do those kinds of things. In Japan, they are the antithesis of a praiseworthy member of society.When the anime industry is, in Miyazaki’s mind, full of these kinds of people, who seal themselves off in insular groups and jack off to 2D waifus all day in between drawing said 2D waifus, that is a real problem.
Frankly, when I look at the entire catalogue of anime titles released over the past 5 years, I see what he means. Who the fuck is going to buy OreImo except lolicon siscon hentai otaku? Who the fuck is going to buy K-On! except ronery NEETs? I LOVE the Monogatari Series - but who the fuck is going to buy that shit except social rejects?
Real-life people do not act like the people in those shows.Real people do not say to their friends/rivals in love “hey, let’s take a shower together while I fondle your tits.” Real sisters do not fall in love with their oniichan desu~s after many sessions of counseling. I love the tsundere archetype, but a real-life tsundere is someone that nobody wants to be around because they treat other people like shit.
I probably should devote an entire paragraph to lolis. (Most) people do not sexualize little girls, and in fact find the sexualization of of little girls to be repulsive. Why, then, are there so many lolis in anime? Because lolis represent a lot of things that a lot of men find desirable in women - innocence, petite bodies, cuteness in general. But for whatever reason, it has become not only okay, but the norm for anime to have prepubescent girls in compromising sexual positions. If you like flat chests - fine. If you like inexperienced girls - fine. If you like cute things - fine. Mashing all of those things together on a 12-year-old and slapping a bikini on her to appeal to otaku with those preferences? Most people will say that is fucked up.
Fanservice is off-putting to a lot of people. Incest is off-putting to a lot of people. Lolis are off-putting to a lot of people. Unbelievable characters and character interactions are off-putting to a lot of people. But those things are things that self-proclaimed otaku audiences embrace, so that’s what the Miyazaki-proclaimed otaku in the industry draw. Because animation studios make so little money off of anything but DVD and merchandise sales, and otaku are the only people who buy that stuff, the anime industry of late has become inbred and stale at best, and offensive and pedophilic at worst.
Miyazaki is well-loved, both in the West and in the East. But he is not well-loved because his works are made for otaku. I’ve never seen anything he’s made, but the sense I get is that he’s loved in the mainstream because he tells stories that resonate with a hell of a lot of people. The problem he sees in the anime industry is that their works tend only to resonate with otaku, and otaku are not acceptable members of society in Japan. From what I’ve seen of what’s been released and been popular the past few years, I cannot blame him for thinking the way he does.
Finally someone explained it….
I agree with what was said above, and also believe Miyazaki means what he’s saying in an artistic sense. Studio Ghibli’s animation is known for being really fluid and expressive, and despite being obviously stylized, there’s something about the characters and environments that is realistic, even in more fantastic settings like Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke. This is because the animators at Ghibli use real life people and objects for reference. That seems like common sense, but if you look at a lot of material that is geared at the otaku crowd, you begin to wonder if those artists are doing the same. It makes me think of another criticism Miyazaki recently made of the industry: “How can you draw fire if you’ve never really seen one burning before?”
Basically, I believe the anime industry is becoming insular not just in terms of content but art/animation style, too. The same feedback loop that is making what was once niche content increasingly the mainstream is resulting in a repetition of style and quality that is disappointing. Many otaku will tolerate poor animation as long as they are presented the themes they are looking for, and many will also lash out again character designs and animation styles that do not fit their mold of what is attractive. So what we’re getting is increasingly stiff animation and increasingly stylized and outlandish character design that result in characters that look, move and act almost nothing like actual humans and who are capable of being accepted by only a very small group of people. Basically what’s being said is that in order to improve their products and craft, connection with real life and real people is a necessity, but a trait of hardcore otaku is an ardent desire to be removed from those things. That’s what Miyazaki is criticizing, I think.
What originally attracted me to anime was the dizzying variety of styles and themes, especially as compared to Western animation. There has always been questionable and hardcore content and while I can’t speak for Miyazaki, I don’t want it to sound like I’m campaigning against the removal of stuff like that just because I don’t enjoy it. I don’t think everything should be geared toward the mainstream like Ghibli stuff is. But it is concerning that the industry has become so insular, narrow and self-congratulatory. I think any fan should be conscious of and critical of that.
Reblog for the cultural divide info because it’s important to know these things before snap judgements.
Remember - It’s possible to love something while being fully aware that certain aspects of a medium or a work of art or a show are problematic.
Essentially, what Miyazaki is saying is the same thing I say about comics : A lot of comics are good, I love comics, but the comic industry is being heavily influenced by a small sliver of it’s readership that reduces many series and characters to unoriginal art and storylines.
It’s not that pandering works need to be eliminated completely. It’s that they can’t be the norm.
Also, anything created to only appeal to that sliver, anything created just to sell, is not usually quality work, as it lacks passion. It rarely stands the test of time.
This is something that slips past the Western viewers- it looks like it’s reaching out for Chihiro, in a malicious way, to the Western viewers. It’s what I thought growing up.
However, now, that I know that it’s a way of signalling for someone to ‘Come here!’ in Japan, the scene takes on a whole new meaning.
That spirit knows that if Chihiro doesn’t eat the food, she will disappear. And it knows if it offers the food, she cannot be cursed as a gluttonous pig because it wouldn’t have been stolen.
Just a unique take when you have all of the context.
i like slice of life anime because i completely wasted most of my high school years sitting at home alone so its nice to experience teenagers having fun with their friends even if im doing it vicariously
let’s talk about colton
Give me a hero and I shall write you a tragedy (insp)
I would kill a person for this horse.
Like, I don’t even mean kill in exchange for this horse. If this horse asked me to kill a person, I’d just do it.
"He rides across the nation, the thoroughbred of sin…"
DID YOU JUST
My friends’ art is really good and they’re constantly improving and im here like
there’s a lot of weird shit on this site but have you ever seen a peeled lemon
I feel like i’m not supposed to be looking at this.
quick, someone who has never seen ouran high school host club, explain what’s happening in this screencap
my guess is that two super rad twins bullied some poor boy into being their maid but forgot he was there when they brought their ultra gay friend over
pretty close, actually
Steve Rogers is not afraid of strong women.
Steve Rogers is not afraid of strong women.
Stop it with the fic where Steve is terrified of Natasha, or Maria, or Pepper, or guh, Darcy. I guess people think it’s cute, or whatever.
Seriously. Strong women don’t make Steve scared, they make him swoon.
The only thing Steve is afraid of is that strong women won’t like him.
Acting like Steve is afraid of women also ignores one of my favorite moments of the movies, where Steve isn’t sure if Clint can be trusted, but he looks to Natasha and it just takes one nod from her for Steve to be okay with it. He respects people who know what they’re doing, male or female.
[2/12] favourite movies
in no particular order:
- The Road to El Dorado (2000)